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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:24:39 EST
From: Grbullet~ol.com
Subject: Re: Astatic JT-30 Inside and Out!

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In a message dated 1/4/2003 2:51:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ri~luesharp.org writes:

>
> Barbecue Bob talks from facts and well earned opinion grown from
> years of touring and harp playing.
>
> I have some highlights from the article below on Bluesharp.org
>
> www.bluesharp.org/ampseffectsandmore.html#HarpMicsArticle :
>
> I made a quick visit to bar-b-que Bob's articles and frankly,I'm quite
> surprised to hear what he has to say.A jt30 has more bottom end than any
> Shure bullet?I don't know where he's getting his jt's but I've heard alot
> of them and never heard one with a bottom that can come close to that of a
> bullet.On paper it may look that way considering Astatic says the freq.
> response is 30Hz to 10KHz. and the Shure's are 100Hz to 7kHz.It has been
my
> experience that the jt30's have way more high end but low end?And about
the
> grille's changing the tone?That was when Astatic started mass producing
the
> mics so the castings started to get less attention to detail,you can see
> that in all the burrs and imperfections in the grills of the ones made
from
> sometime in the late 70's or 80's on.The old ones were carefully casted
and
> deburred before being chromed.The only physical difference is the spacing
> between the grilles.The older ones have larger spacing between the
> grille's,and the inner rim was changed to accomidate a thicker element
> holder on the newer ones.Same goes for the elements.Mass production killed
> the sound of the mics with cheaper and lower quality crystals.I'll be
> honest,I'm not a big fan of the jt30 sound.I like the shells,but not the
> sound.Thats just my opinion.I know they have their place and are prefered
> by many players.Heck I even own two of them,an early 40's jt31,and a newer
> one.
> I personally prefer the Shure CR mics.All of my other mics,about
> 10,have the black label CR's in them.About half of them are in Jt30
> shells.They sound very good in them.
> If you judge mics by what you see on paper and charts,you'll never
> really know how they sound in any given application.I've never heard a
Jt30
> with the bottom end that a Shure bullet has.For that matter,I ve never
> heard a bullet with the high end that a Jt30 has although they claim to be
> very close in freq. response at the high end.And the human ear can't hear
> frequency's below 50Hz,especially when you start putting on some years,so
I
> think it's nuts to say a jt30 crystal is capable of producing frequency's
> that low.
> I haven't done much research on Astatics because they don't
appeal
> to me,but I know that the quality of the Jt30's went way down when they
put
> the push on them and started mass producing them.Anyone who's had some old
> and some new can obviously see and hear the difference.
> I know about Shure mics.I've done extensive research on them over
> the past 10 years.I got alot of my info from guys that have since retired
> from Shure.Its too bad they didn't keep better records on their older
> mics.There are quite a few you can't get any info on,but I was able to get
> alot of valuable info on the green bullet mics and the various magnetic
> elements.I'm working on putting up a website to share the info I've
> collected on them like how to date them,the different model #'s on the
> elements,freq. responses,applications,etc.I will post it on harp-l when
its
> complete.
We all have our own personal favorite's,and there are many unknown
mics out there that are great for harp.But remember that it's not the mic or
amp that gives you TONE.Its how you play and technique.The mic does help,but
there are alot of guys that can make any mic sound great.So please don't
bombard me for not liking the Astatic's,that's just my opinion.Maybe I'd be
better off saying I don't like the newer ones,I have heard some of the
old,50'' & 60's ones that sound pretty good.
I just don't agree with what I read at the above mentioned website
as far as mics go.There are just too many factors that can make a mic sound
good or bad.Some of the things written there are just not accurate,and are
just one man's opinion,not fact!................Dave the bullet man

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In a message dated 1/4/2003
2:51:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, ri~luesharp.org writes:







Barbecue Bob talks from facts and well earned opinion grown from

years of touring and harp playing.



I have some highlights from the article below on Bluesharp.org



www.bluesharp.org/ampseffectsandmore.html#HarpMicsArticle   :



I made a quick visit to bar-b-que Bob's articles and frankly,I'm quite
surprised to hear what he has to say.A jt30 has more bottom end than any
Shure bullet?I don't know where he's getting his jt's but I've heard alot of
them and never heard one with a bottom that can come close to that of a
bullet.On paper it may look that way considering Astatic says the freq.
response is 30Hz to 10KHz. and the Shure's are 100Hz to 7kHz.It has been my
experience that the jt30's have way more high end but low end?And about the
grille's changing the tone?That was when Astatic started mass producing the
mics so the castings started to get less  attention to detail,you can
see that in all the burrs and imperfections in the grills of the ones made
from sometime in the late 70's or 80's on.The old ones were carefully casted
and deburred before being chromed.The only physical difference is the
spacing between the grilles.The older ones have larger spacing between the
grille's,and the in!
ner rim was changed to accomidate a thicker element holder on the newer
ones.Same goes for the elements.Mass production killed the sound of the mics
with cheaper and lower quality crystals.I'll be honest,I'm not a big fan of
the jt30 sound.I like the shells,but not the sound.Thats just my opinion.I
know they have their place and are prefered by many players.Heck I even own
two of them,an early 40's jt31,and a newer one.

       I personally prefer the Shure
CR mics.All of my other mics,about 10,have the black label CR's in
them.About half of them are in Jt30 shells.They sound very good in them.

       If you judge mics by what you
see on paper and charts,you'll never really know how they sound in any given
application.I've never heard a Jt30 with the bottom end that a Shure bullet
has.For that matter,I ve never heard a bullet with the high end that a Jt30
has although they claim to be very close in freq. response at the high
end.And the human ear can't hear frequency's below 50Hz,especially when you
start putting on some years,so I think it's nuts to say a jt30 crystal is
capable of producing frequency's that low.

        I haven't done much
research on Astatics because they don't appeal to me,but I know that the
quality of the Jt30's went way down when they put the push on them and
started mass producing them.Anyone who's had some old and some new can
obviously see and hear the difference.

        I know about Shure
mics.I've done extensive research on them over the past 10 years.I got alot
of my info from guys that have since retired from Shure.Its too bad they
didn't keep better records on their older mics.There are quite a few you
can't get any info on,but I was able to get alot of valuable info on the
green bullet mics and the various magnetic elements.I'm working on putting
up a website to share the info I've collected on them like how to date
them,the different model #'s on the elements,freq.
responses,applications,etc.I will post it on harp-l when its
complete.
FACE="Arial" LANG="0">


LANG="0">          We all have
our own personal favorite's,and there are many unknown mics out there that
are great for harp.But remember that it's not the mic or amp that gives you
TONE.Its how you play and technique.The mic does help,but there are alot of
guys that can make any mic sound great.So please don't bombard me for not
liking the Astatic's,that's just my opinion.Maybe I'd be better off saying I
don't like the newer ones,I have heard some of the old,50'' & 60's ones
that sound pretty good.

        I just don't agree with
what I read at the above mentioned website as far as mics go.There are just
too many factors that can make a mic sound good or bad.Some of the things
written there are just not accurate,and are just one man's opinion,not
fact!................Dave the bullet man



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